Snapshot: the 2020 Florida-FSU chart

Ladies and gentlemen, it is my distinct honor and privilege to present to you, the 2020 Florida-FSU chart.

Many of you already know what I’m referring too. For those who don’t, “The Chart” is an annual In All Kinds Of Weather tradition that compares the Florida Gators and the Florida State Seminoles in all kinds of statistical categories. And by that, I mean in all sports. Because Florida has so completely and thoroughly dominated FSU across the board- and because Florida is the #EverythingSchool, and the so-called “minor sports” deserve their moment in the sun- this chart includes comparisons of Florida and FSU from football to tennis and everything in between.

Spoiler alert: Florida leads in most of these categories.

The 2020 Florida-FSU chart is fairly similar to last year’s edition, albeit with a few new additions. A few things in this chart do require some further clarification. Some of these things I was able to sneak into the graphic as footnotes; others have wordier explanations, and those are explained below.

2020 Florida-FSU chart

Now, as I mentioned above, a few things need to be addressed (in addition to the things I addressed as footnotes within the infographic itself).

First and foremost, there are some problems regarding the Noles’ national championship count. Depending on the degree of ignorance in the FSU fan you ask, they may have up to 19 national championships. Part of the problem is that some FSU fans are either stupid enough to wholly trust Wikipedia, or just don’t care enough to do independent research. Every time Florida wins a national championship, and I point out that Florida has (however many that particular title made it) titles to FSU’s 11, every FSU fan who debates the point directs me to one place: the “Florida State Seminoles athletics” wikipedia page, where sure enough, FSU is given credit for 19 of them.

Unlike these FSU fans, I actually did some research and looked into them (because they sure as hell aren’t going to). The following national championships that FSU claims are legitimate: football in 1993, 1999 and 2013, women’s golf in 1981, men’s track and field in 2006 and 2008, women’s track and field in 1984 (outdoor) and 1985 (indoor), women’s soccer in 2014, and men’s gymnastics in 1951 and 1952. That makes 11. The other eight that Wikipedia page claims are softball in 1981 and 1982, and women’s indoor track and field in 1981, 1982 and 1985, women’s outdoor track and field in 1981 and 1984 and cheerleading in 1997. There are various problems with them:

-1981 and 1982 softball

It’s true that FSU won AIAW (governing body for women’s collegiate sports at the time) softball national championships in 1981 and 1982. There’s just one problem. The two titles they claim were both slow pitch softball tournaments, something that Wikipedia page just conveniently forgot to mention. In reality, Utah State was the 1981 national champion in softball, while the 1982 championship was split between UCLA (NCAA) and Texas A&M (in the last year of the AIAW). Even FSU’s own athletics site admits that those championships were slow pitch, though they added their own twist to it by claiming that softball was slow pitch at the time, which is wholly false; the two just coexisted at the same time. Anyway, there’s no way I’m going to give FSU credit for a national championship in a sport I dominated in high school gym class. Slow pitch softball is like coach pitch baseball. There’s no defensive skill involved because anybody with decent hand-eye coordination can crush it over the fence, no problem. I probably hit a home run nine out of every ten times up, and that’s nothing special because half my gym class can say the same thing. So yeah, slow pitch softball championships don’t count.

-1981, 1982 and 1984 women’s indoor track and field/1981 and 1985 women’s outdoor track and field

Nowhere else on the internet does FSU claim these national titles. Not in FSU’s official media guide (you can find their list of championships on page 33), not on the NCAA’s list of outdoor track and field champions or indoor track and field champions, and not even on FSU’s track and field wikipedia page. Nice try.

-1997 Cheerleading 

Cheerleading is not a sport. Sorry. Admittedly, some can question whether gymnastics (in which UF has three national championships) is a sport or not, and I’m the first to admit the participants in either require a great deal of dexterity and perseverance to excel, but I draw the line of “is this an actual sport?” at cheerleading.

Anyway, there we are. 11 national championships. Five made up out of nowhere, two in a game that’s been reduced to intramural, and one in the popular after school activity in high schools across the country. Whenever an FSU fan tries to claim 19 or 20, remind them of that.

And if ever an FSU fan attempts to try to claim that the Seminoles are superior to the Gators in any way, shape or form, a quick removal of this 2020 Florida-FSU chart from your metaphorical back pocket and into their line of sight should remind them of the falsehood of that statement.

4 thoughts on “Snapshot: the 2020 Florida-FSU chart

  1. What do you say to people who indicate that Florida has had NCAA level sports for many years longer than the Seminoles? The Gators played football back around 1906 while the Seminoles didn’t truly begin playing until around 1948. The same can be said of most other men’s sports since FSU didn’t become co-ed until 1947.

    Did you compile these records since 1947 or going back to the beginning of college athletics at each school?

    Thank you,

    1. These statistics are compiled from the birth of each school’s various programs.

      My answer regarding what to say to your first point is threefold, really, and you can go in any of these directions depending on who you’re arguing with:

      1) It’s not my fault that FSU took until after World War II to decide to stop being sexist and allow males to attend. Florida figured this out in 1924. You snooze, you lose.

      2) That argument cuts zero ice with the head to head series scores. Florida is not Georgia. Therefore, Florida does not count wins over opponents before said opponents began their programs. What’s more, Florida gave FSU an eleven year head start to build its football program before the annual wallopings began.

      3) Yeah, totally. The only reason we’ve smacked y’all on the football field the last couple of years, beaten you twelve out of the last thirteen times in baseball, won two basketball titles this century, etc. is because you didn’t begin playing sports until the late 1940’s.

      Hope that helps!

Comments are closed.